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Anyone Need Repair Info on Hammerli AP40 or Converted 480K Air Pistols?

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:41 am
by Gwhite
The college team I help coach has 21 Hammerli 480K air pistols that Larry Carter converted to use AP40 cylinders. The 480K regulators were dying, and repair parts and "in date" cylinders were unavailable. Larry apparently worked with the factory to adapt the AP40 regulator design to replace the 480K system. We got the last of our pistols converted around 2016. Over time, a number of them sprang leaks. The symptom was a breeze coming out of the back of the regulator into the trigger area. Before he passed away in 2018, Larry repaired several of them.

It's taken 6 years of research since he died, but I now have the parts, tools and expertise to fix the 12 dead pistols we have now. One issue is that you need a special small pin spanner to take the regulators apart. I spent considerable time machining a fancy one out of steel, only to discover that the force required to unscrew the adjustment bushing is pretty low. I designed a 3D printed tool with a U-pin of spring steel, and made up a batch:

3D Printed AP40 Reg Tool.jpg

The problem is a special piston seal they use in the regulator. Instead of an O-ring, they use a "X-Ring", sometimes known as a Quad-Ring. These tend to shred:

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Many of the repair parts for the pistol are used in other Hammerli/Walther air guns, and are still available, but not the piston seals. I suspect they ran out of spares a while go due to the high failure rate. I managed to buy a couple complete AP40 regulators, which included the required seals. I measured them, assuming they were going to be some exotic metric X-ring. I discovered they are bog standard "-007" sized ASTM/SAE X-Rings, available from McMaster Carr at $11.21/100.

I've just finished re-sealing seven pistols over the last couple weeks, with 5 more to go...

My one concern is that we had some fail within 2 years of being converted. I don't know if the X-ring is overstressed, or if the seals Larry had were old & tired. The ones I bought are Durometer (hardness) of 70, and I suspect a Durometer 90 seal would hold up better. I haven't found any on-line, but I haven't had time to ask around. The good news is that it only takes about a half an hour to take the regulator apart, clean & lubricate everything, replace the seal and reassemble it. If you take notes of where the adjusted was when you start, the velocity will come up within around +/- 25 fps of the nominal 475 fps.

One of the selling points of using X-seals is they are lower friction than an O-ring. I've been adjusting the pistols with a chronograph, and I've never seen such consistent velocities. They typically run +/- 1 fps, which I suspect is due to the X-Ring seals.

If more details would be useful to anyone, send me a PM. If I was an individual with one of these pistols, I would have abandoned it long ago, but with 21 on of them, it was worth it to sort out. At some point when we can no longer get "in date" cylinders", we will probably sell them off. We'll provide them with the tool & spare seals required to keep them running for another decade or two.

Re: Anyone Need Repair Info on Hammerli AP40 or Converted 480K Air Pistols?

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:34 pm
by dulcmr-man
You, Sir, are a marvel! I hope your students appreciate you.

Re: Anyone Need Repair Info on Hammerli AP40 or Converted 480K Air Pistols?

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:36 pm
by Dick Arnold
Thankyou, GWhite. Now I'll know what to do when mine starts leaking. It's a Larry Carter conversion too.

Re: Anyone Need Repair Info on Hammerli AP40 or Converted 480K Air Pistols?

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 5:36 pm
by Gwhite
I took videos of the seal replacement process. I still need to edit them and get them up on YouTube, but they are in the works.

Re: Anyone Need Repair Info on Hammerli AP40 or Converted 480K Air Pistols?

Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 5:20 am
by Brimfire
Yes please on repair info!

My 480K2 works just dandy at present but I've always had a little niggle that, some day, it'll become a paperweight like my 480 which hoses out air only marginally slower than I can get it in. Knowing that there's now hope after seal failure has raised a smile.
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A Happy New Year to you and Kudos for taking the time and effort to save your School's guns and sharing the info with other shooters.

Re: Anyone Need Repair Info on Hammerli AP40 or Converted 480K Air Pistols?

Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:45 am
by Gwhite
It may make interesting reading/viewing, but the regulators in those two pistols are different from the AP40 cylinder system. The regulator in the older pistols was partly contained in the "male" fitting that goes into the rear of the cylinder. The AP40 regulator system that I've been repairing (did another one just last night) uses a "male" fitting on the end of the cylinder that goes into the pistol frame.

You would need to track down conversion parts, and installing them requires some metalwork. I've been searching for extra conversion hardware for 6 years, and haven't located any. Walther used to do the conversion at the factory, but that is probably no longer an option.

I've just about finished editing a series of videos on how to repair the AP40 style regulator. I'll post when I get them up on YouTube. You'll see that it very different from what would be required for the un-converted 480's. One annoyance is that Hammerli kept the inner workings of the early pistols a deep dark secret. There are NO exploded diagrams that show the regulator parts or the firing valve system until after the 480 K2. That also means there are no part numbers to go looking for replacement components.

Re: Anyone Need Repair Info on Hammerli AP40 or Converted 480K Air Pistols?

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:57 am
by Brimfire
As we say here - "That's a *ugger."

Still, points for effort Sir.